tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post2404023232099845809..comments2023-10-31T11:50:09.773+00:00Comments on Mulier Fortis: Active Participation...Mulier Fortishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-75597589745097199222011-08-21T00:38:32.157+01:002011-08-21T00:38:32.157+01:00Nice one Mac. Dr Shaw's recently written about...Nice one Mac. Dr Shaw's recently written about this as well: http://www.lmschairman.org/2011/08/spirit-of-58.htmlMultum Incolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04817574956365161041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-4018954777991898212011-08-16T20:07:59.424+01:002011-08-16T20:07:59.424+01:00Ros - you're too kind!
*blushes*Ros - you're too kind!<br />*blushes*Mulier Fortishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-27763563201841134442011-08-16T20:02:27.617+01:002011-08-16T20:02:27.617+01:00This is the best post I have ever read, regards ex...This is the best post I have ever read, regards explaining the EF and Latin Masses. You make it very easy to understand and therefore attractive to one's soul or understanding. I hope you will perhaps post some more words in this vein for us non liturgically learned.<br /><br />Thank you so much.<br /><br />Ros, charismatic, shine Jesus shine advocate and rosary praying blogger!mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06962374096401238994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-66746238709305474912011-08-16T01:12:28.628+01:002011-08-16T01:12:28.628+01:00Genty said: "Unfortunately, Carmel Books is n...Genty said: "Unfortunately, Carmel Books is not online. Various websites give a telephone number, but I don't know whether it's still trading."<br /><br />I recently ordered two copies of the beautiful and wonderful St. Andrew's Daily Missal from Carmel Books.<br /><br />As one Jesuit Priest said to me: "The only reading matter that one ever will need is a St. Andrew's Daily Missal".<br /><br />I would, respectfully, urge and encourage all people who are looking for guidance, enlightenment, help and assistance, in following/loving/assisting at Holy Mass, to contact Carmel Books and order a St. Andrew's Daily Missal. Your lives will be changed forever.<br /><br />Carmel Books have recently moved to Newbury, Berkshire. <br /><br />Telephone: 01635 255340. <br /><br />E-Mail: enquiries.carmelbooks@gmail.com<br /><br />Postal address: Blackford House, Andover Road, Highclere, Newbury, Berkshire RG20 9PF.<br /><br />The Manager is Michael Fishwick, who will be delighted to help.Zephyrinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01179350648709554049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-90269973871593862892011-08-15T15:57:35.974+01:002011-08-15T15:57:35.974+01:00Hi Mac, The Missal suggestion was for Diamantina. ...Hi Mac, The Missal suggestion was for Diamantina. I got a reprint of the Fr. Lasance New Roman Missal (1945 US version with later additions) from Carmel Books in the West Country.<br />There's loads of info, explanations and historical references in the introduction, plus the laity's part in the (EF) Mass. <br />Unfortunately, Carmel Books is not online. Various websites give a telephone number, but I don't know whether it's still trading.<br /><br />Blessings to all on the Feast of the glorious Assumpton.Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-25315435983043002202011-08-15T12:39:16.289+01:002011-08-15T12:39:16.289+01:00It's been said that assisting at Mass is like ...It's been said that assisting at Mass is like being at the foot of Calvary. I believe this to be true,and, if so the question is how was Mary actively participating at Calvary. Did she sing? Did she speak? Did she do anything?<br />I prefer to be like her at the foot of Calvary.bobdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135024860372150067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-71749320825000387412011-08-15T12:13:18.119+01:002011-08-15T12:13:18.119+01:00Genty - I have the St. Andrew's Missal with al...Genty - I have the St. Andrew's Missal with all the ribbons (and a few prayer cards)... but my main point is that sometimes I don't WANT to follow everything word for word... I love the fact that it's possible to change my approach from Mass to Mass as the mood takes me!<br /><br />Little Voice - it's difficult to recommend any one scheme off the top of my head... they're often tucked away in older prayer books. One such book which is currently in print (but is actually an old one, reprinted) is "My Prayer Book" by Father Lasance (1908) Benziger Brothers: New York. It has several different ways of praying the Mass. Unfortunately I cannot remember when or where I bought the book, but it is a reprint (I got it new.) <br /><br />Dom Prosper Guéranger also has some meditations on Mass in the back of his book "The Holy Mass."<br /><br />I'll see if I can find any others!<br /><br />Diamantina - I'm delighted that I was able to help, your comment was something that many people have expressed in different ways when discussing the EF, so I wanted to give as full an answer as possible. As for the "schemes" for following Mass, well, as I said to Little Voice, I shall try to dig up some more. God bless, and happy Feast Day!Mulier Fortishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-91022889205995738402011-08-15T11:05:05.688+01:002011-08-15T11:05:05.688+01:00One more thing. I really appreciated Father Tim...One more thing. I really appreciated Father Tim's post, and found it quite helpful.Diamantina, aka Gentillylacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11233399922548504389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-12816803638111155362011-08-15T10:54:06.509+01:002011-08-15T10:54:06.509+01:00Mac,
Thank you for your wonderful explanation! I ...Mac,<br /><br />Thank you for your wonderful explanation! I hope that the feast day is happy for you. You are very lucky to have the Extraordinary Form Mass in your own parish: I have to travel 15 miles to the west to one parish that offers it, or 20 miles to the east to another parish that offers it. With my lack of transportation, this means that I end up attending the Extraordinary Form Mass about once or twice a year.<br /><br />From your description, I see that I attended the <i>Missa Cantata</i>. The Creed was sung: I just prefer that it be said, so that the congregation can join in. But since it is not necessary for the congregation to join in vocally in the responses to be actively participating in the Mass, I will just have to get over my sense of unease :-)<br /><br />Where can I find some good schemes for following Mass that saints have given? Which schemes in particular do you recommend? I think that the next time I attend an Extraordinary Form Mass, that would be of great use to me.<br /><br />Again, many thanks and have a great feast day!Diamantina, aka Gentillylacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11233399922548504389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-2284133307504045732011-08-15T10:20:51.791+01:002011-08-15T10:20:51.791+01:00I am interested in some of the "schemes"...I am interested in some of the "schemes" you mention for following Mass. Can you point me to any that have been produced?Little Voicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035701805171136013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-26453288974697629772011-08-15T10:15:30.853+01:002011-08-15T10:15:30.853+01:00Very well put, Mac. It's absolutely correct th...Very well put, Mac. It's absolutely correct that because you are saying something aloud doesn't mean you are concentrating on what you are saying. I've got that problem with my daily prayers!<br /><br />One of the major problems, I think, is that the spirit of the (secular) age demands that to be fulfilled we must be constantly active and if we aren't "doing" there's something lacking or we are simply lazy.<br /><br />The EF Low Mass, in particular, is the perfect antidote to all this rushing about hither and yon. It requires you to be still in silent contemplation and prayer at the aweful Sacrifice.<br /><br />I'd suggest getting a copy of the old Latin/English missal. Apart from having to get all the ribbons for the Propers in place beforehand, which means you have to read through them, it keeps you fully occupied during the Mass, as well as glancing at the priest's gestures so you know where he is. You don't have time to worry about participating, because that's precisely what you're doing.<br /><br />I think of the NO Mass as the Martha Mass and the EF as the Mary Mass. Crude, but effective.<br /><br />Do persevere, Diamantina da Brescia. There is much to be mined from the EF. It doesn't yield its treasures instantly but each is a wondrous revelation.Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-72968170081935681902011-08-15T09:20:31.497+01:002011-08-15T09:20:31.497+01:00Mac, you said:
In some countries, I believe, the...Mac, you said: <br /><br />In some countries, I believe, the practice of a "Dialogue Mass" has become the norm - a sort of halfway house between the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms - where the congregation make the responses with the server, but this is rare.<br /><br />I don't see things in many different countries, but the Low Masses I've been to in the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland have all been 'Dialogue' to some extent. I'm not sure what the custom is in Germany, but have heard that it's common in France.<br /><br />It doesn't have my preference, really; I'd prefer more silence at daily Mass. But if the ladies at Mass want to make the responses, I'm not one to beat them into submission of my own desire for quiet ;) And it's a good practise in detaching myself from what would otherwise be distractions anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-40830766798705677712011-08-15T09:16:15.391+01:002011-08-15T09:16:15.391+01:00I always tell people that "contemplative enga...I always tell people that "contemplative engagement" better expresses what is meant by "actuosa participartio" than "active participation".<br /><br />A rare instance of where the dynamic equivalence approach to translation works better than the literal:)Richard Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07267252492721777370noreply@blogger.com