tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post1718627603010808316..comments2023-10-31T11:50:09.773+00:00Comments on Mulier Fortis: Baronius Press Breviary...Mulier Fortishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-2761837866157617112011-08-22T05:05:10.136+01:002011-08-22T05:05:10.136+01:00What a beautiful and eye-pleasing layout this new ...What a beautiful and eye-pleasing layout this new edition of the Breviary is. Alas, this may not be the traditional, Council of Trent rendering which is what I would like to pray. I can understand a slight modernizing of the language although I would rather just have what has been prayed for centuries. However, if the new version contains any of the modernist, liberal "keener insights" and "new understandings" that were the precursors and then hallmark of Vatican II, then thanks but no thanks.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05842729997721853979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-79532267280882883152011-04-09T14:32:32.494+01:002011-04-09T14:32:32.494+01:00Anita - the '62 Office is NOT the traditional ...Anita - the '62 Office is NOT the traditional Breviarium Romanum, but a much-mutilated, clumsy redaction, conceived as a "transitional" stage to wholesale root-and-branch reform (like the '62 Missal, but much, much worse). It would have been far more sensible of Baronius to have produced a bilingual version of the full traditional office, perhaps with an appendix for the benefit of ultramontane legalists indicating how to use it according to the rubrics of '62.Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-36388756257473627252011-04-09T08:19:07.814+01:002011-04-09T08:19:07.814+01:00Anita, the English translation of the Psalms in my...Anita, the English translation of the Psalms in my second-hand US edition of the 1962 Office is, to be honest, pretty disappointing, being both a very loose translation and a very unpoetic one. It may be that the Baronius Press translation is different. Mediocre translations of sacred texts were, sadly, becoming the norm even before Vatican 2.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285355080459130149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-41984567906580132412011-04-08T17:38:39.496+01:002011-04-08T17:38:39.496+01:00Well, that wasn't all you were saying, but nev...Well, that wasn't all you were saying, but never mind. Don't the FSSP do scholarships for impecunious applicants? They did in my day. Have you been on one of their retreats? They might waive the fees if they like the cut of your jib.Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-12324115244368154392011-04-08T17:10:33.007+01:002011-04-08T17:10:33.007+01:00I'd like to have one of these sets too, though...I'd like to have one of these sets too, thought the asking price in U.S. dollars of $350.00 is quite steep. I bet the translations of the Psalms and Canticles will be far superior to the plodding, pedestrian, mediocre ICEL ones in the official English translation of the current breviary.<br /><br />JAMC: There is something to be said for prayer and abandoning oneself in trust to God's Providence, when we are at the end of our own resources. God does not give people vocations without also providing what they need to fulfill them. (This does not, however, rule out the need for elbow grease on our part.)<br /><br />As for the popularity of the Breviarum Romanum, there are communities of religious dedicated entirely to the Extraordinary Form of the liturgy, which includes the BR. I believe the FSSP uses it; I know a priest who was brought up in the FSSP and recites it daily. But with the growing interest in the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, I would be willing to bet interest in the Extraordinary Form of the Office will also take off among the laity, especially now that there will be a Latin and English breviary. My Baronius Press 1962 Missal also has Vespers and Compline for Sundays, so people may already be praying those offices in the EF.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-33605705001449497072011-04-08T14:05:03.621+01:002011-04-08T14:05:03.621+01:00Anagnostis
As a marketing graduate and someone w...Anagnostis <br /><br />As a marketing graduate and someone who acheived stering grades in Business studies both at GCSE and A level I am asware of economies of scale; all I'm saying is that unless you come from an old Catholic family becoming a Traditional Priest is finacially impossible.Just another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-25767101254455472762011-04-08T07:58:04.198+01:002011-04-08T07:58:04.198+01:00JAMC
- It's "economy of scale": an...JAMC<br /><br /> - It's "economy of scale": an enormous undertaking in a relatively small market. Believe me, it's far worse in Orthodoxy - horribly produced books at horrible prices. I'm sure Baronius would love to get the unit price down, but the sums almost certainly won't bear it. The choice, "legal" rather than genuinely liturgical, to resurrect this particular "revision" is a huge mistake IMHO.Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-69275013077850540092011-04-08T01:49:09.462+01:002011-04-08T01:49:09.462+01:00I worry about the price tag; perhaps the folks at ...I worry about the price tag; perhaps the folks at baronius haven't noticed that there is a recession going on? <br /><br />It also reinforces the perception that Traditional Catholocism is only something for the Rich. <br /><br />exibit a) the cost to the seminarian of going to a Traditional Semminary (FSSP) is $7000 on top of the cost of books, travel etc (and that is if you can get past their pureblood mindset). <br /><br />Exibit b) as I'm sure Mac and Fr. Finnegan will appreciate half decent vestments cost alot <br /><br />Exibit c) this Roman Brevary costs almost double the OF liturgy of the hours which can be brought for £120 on Amozon.<br /><br />As a working class lad who aspires to be a Traditional Priest I have problems seeing how the finances will work out.Just another mad Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10503510474554718305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28018475.post-4317964826447177802011-04-07T20:56:09.832+01:002011-04-07T20:56:09.832+01:00I think they're very wise, commercially, to ma...I think they're very wise, commercially, to make sure they can shift a decent number of copies before going to print. The '62 office is the absolute nadir - a mutilated stump on legal life-support. I hope they'll get around instead to producing something more fulsomely representative of the traditional Roman office. I might even be tempted myself.Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.com